“While bodies were still being pulled” from the wreckage that once was the
How can one decide if another’s words will inspire an attack? How can anyone be sure that the words they speak on a daily basis won’t incite violent action from another person? True, there are cases where words are meant to incite and inspire action. It is also true that within weeks of September 11th and the meeting that Al-Timimi held, his followers travelled to
Words are not matches; we must work to ensure that speech remain protected for all. When we protect some speech but not all speech, it becomes a slippery slope. Where do we draw the line and more importantly, how is it that we decide what is protected and what isn’t? There are many groups or people whose opinions I do not agree with but I would rather their speech be protected and have to listen to them voice their opinions than never hear anyone’s opinions.
Alexander Meiklejohn’s idea of Absolute Protection for Political Speech states that “freedom of speech” is “absolutely privileged and may not be abridged – even by the clear-and-present-danger rule (Tedford and Herbeck 437).” Meiklejohn would also propose that words are not matches and that we should punish the actions themselves, not the speech that some might believe brought on that action.
I would absolutely uphold Brandenburg v. Ohio and overturn the lower court’s ruling on the Al-Timimi case. Brandenburg v. Ohio required that the government prove that the danger presented was real, not imaginary and even protects threatening speech. The only case in which dangerous or threatening speech can be punished is if the state can prove that the “advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.”
It could be argued that Al-Timimi’s speech was “talking big” or “blowing off steam” since he himself did not travel to the Middle East to receive training. Tedford and Herbeck explain that according to the Brandenburg decision, the “expression must have a serious intent to incite illegal action… being urged must be imminent—that is, immediate, impending to occur.” Al-Timimi’s followers did not IMMEDIATELY fly out to Afghanistan, nor did they ever participate in unlawful action. I would argue that in light of the attacks on September 11, 2001, everyone was acting on raw emotion; not only Al-Timimi but those responsible for prosecuting him as well.
It is time that we start holding individuals responsible for their actions. In the end, it wasn’t Al-Timimi’s words that sent his followers to

According to Dennis vs. US incitement is not needed in order to prosecute someone for speaking of the destruction of government by violent force. Although in Ali Al-timimi's case it is questionable whether or not incitement occured, under Dennis vs. US he could still be held accountable by law for his speech. I agree that free speech should be protected, but would you not agree that it is also our government's job to protect its people and when threats are being made they have the right to do what they can do to prevent terrorist attacks from claiming the lives of thousands of innocent Americans?
ReplyDeleteI agree with Danny and I also compared this case to Dennis v. US. Fair enough that Al Tatimi didn't specifically tell the trained Middle Eastern soldiers to attack American soldiers but he provided them with the motivation. To me, thats similar to giving a serial killer a knife and says he can do whatever he wants with it. The US government did what it could to protect the people from imminent danger.
ReplyDeleteI would agree concerning Dennis v. U.S. but I would also tread lightly when referring to that case because of the "witch hunt" that also occurred during that time. I agree with you that speech should be protected but not without limitations. A society without limitations can also lead to a slippery slope. I would also uphold the allegation brought against Al-Timimi and that is concerning the unlawfulness of conspiring with terrorist groups. He is closely linked to them by suggesting that his followers go be trained by these groups. I also believe that these were unique times and in the case of Bradenburg, the KKK has never actually carried out a massive threat towards the government.
ReplyDeleteVery thoughtful responses here...since the question really is whether to apply Dennis with its reference to punishing remarks that may lead to EVENTUAL harm and Brandenburg with its reference to punishing only those remarks that seem intended to incite IMMEDIATE and IMMINENT harm. I enjoyed your passionate reasoning and would mostly urge you to include some more factual grounding (what Al-Timimi actually said) and explain why you feel his words were not inciting any IMMEDIATE or IMMINENT violence.
ReplyDeleteAgreed with everyone here! The passion and anger behind your words is very clear in your writing. Because of that, it made for a very interesting read. However, passion aside, I think your argument needed a little more evidence (quotes from Timimi, doctrinal reasoning to defend whether or not he was inciting action or not, etc) Thank you for the good read but a little more evidence would have made this piece a little more persuasive!
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